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	<title>Comments on: University of Waterloo Radio Station&#8217;s Survival is in Jeopardy</title>
	<link>http://www.indyish.com/university-of-waterloo-radio-stations-survival-is-in-jeopardy</link>
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	<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 00:27:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Michael F.</title>
		<link>http://www.indyish.com/university-of-waterloo-radio-stations-survival-is-in-jeopardy#comment-35899</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael F.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 May 2008 16:03:15 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.indyish.com/university-of-waterloo-radio-stations-survival-is-in-jeopardy#comment-35899</guid>
		<description>Having just heard about the situation and the vote that went down, I can't say I'm surprised.

I served as president of the board of directors at CKMS for a year. Coincidentally, a year that Caitlin Crockard was also on the board. Needless to say, CKMS up to that point wasn't ever really 'campus/community radio'. It was always slanted towards the community, while always taking moneys from the campus. For that year, we tried our best to right that ship, and I think we made some good headway. In fact, our board were the ones who initiated the whole station manager process to get Heather in there in the first place. Unfortunately, from the looks of things, the move towards more student involvement never happened, and this is the end result. Back when I was on the board, this endgame was mentioned many times but was never taken seriously. 

There was never a real effort to work with students. There was never a real effort to move closer to campus. There was never a real effort to cater programming to students. It was almost like they were TRYING to bite the hand that fed them.

Not surprised at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having just heard about the situation and the vote that went down, I can&#8217;t say I&#8217;m surprised.</p>
<p>I served as president of the board of directors at CKMS for a year. Coincidentally, a year that Caitlin Crockard was also on the board. Needless to say, CKMS up to that point wasn&#8217;t ever really &#8216;campus/community radio&#8217;. It was always slanted towards the community, while always taking moneys from the campus. For that year, we tried our best to right that ship, and I think we made some good headway. In fact, our board were the ones who initiated the whole station manager process to get Heather in there in the first place. Unfortunately, from the looks of things, the move towards more student involvement never happened, and this is the end result. Back when I was on the board, this endgame was mentioned many times but was never taken seriously. </p>
<p>There was never a real effort to work with students. There was never a real effort to move closer to campus. There was never a real effort to cater programming to students. It was almost like they were TRYING to bite the hand that fed them.</p>
<p>Not surprised at all.</p>
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		<title>By: tseliot</title>
		<link>http://www.indyish.com/university-of-waterloo-radio-stations-survival-is-in-jeopardy#comment-35670</link>
		<dc:creator>tseliot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 17:02:41 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.indyish.com/university-of-waterloo-radio-stations-survival-is-in-jeopardy#comment-35670</guid>
		<description>The referendum resulted in the defunding of CKMS.  The results were 2280 in favour of defunding, with 1081 against; a 2-1 margin.  The remaining 87% of students didn't care enough for CKMS to point-and-click to save it in the very accessible web-based referendum.

The opposition to the CKMS fee came from a diverse set of perspectives:

- Some are opposed to all opt-out fees.  Some of these students are poor; some are cheap and selfish; and some have a principled opposition to the opt-out fee system, which involves a conflict of interest where the very parties whose interests are served by having as low a refund rate as possible are in charge of running the refunds.  To get a CKMS refund, for example, one had to go to where many students consider is the middle of nowhere, on Bauer Warehouse Road (which wasn't even paved until recently), in a narrow set of office hours on a narrow range of days at the beginning of the term.  Some students study in Cambridge, and for them a round trip to get a refund would cost, in gasoline, most if not all of the refund.

- Some don't value FM radio.

- Some might be open to, or even supportive of, campus radio, but were opposed to the repeated acts of corruption and abuse of power by the CKMS establishment.  These include:

--- holding meetings in a poisoned environment

--- violating CKMS's own bylaws to silence their critics (even CKMS's own attorney is on the record in the meeting minutes of a meeting following a past AGM as saying that a vote that station manager Heather Majaury obstructed was perfectly legal)

--- obstructing student access to budget and governance information that even CKMS's own attorney stated was their right (the leader of the opposition campa
ign, who was entitled to the information, received some of it weeks after the referendum was over, and this information included the previous event of the v
iolation of bylaws, so if CKMS had not underhandedly obstructed the rightful access to this information the results of the referendum might have been an even more dramatic rejection of CKMS)

--- breaking referendum rules repeatedly, including campaigning repeatedly before the allowed campaign period (an unfair advantage over the opposing campaig
n, which followed the rules) and distributing false information to voters
                                                                                                                                                            --- using station resources for their campaign, which is forbidden by student council rules because it creates an unfair playing field (the opposing campaig
n spent only $34)

--- the supporters of CKMS showing utter hostility and contempt for the democratic process by defacing and removing posters put up by the opposing campaign
(this can not be linked directly to the CKMS establishment)                                                                                                 
Some references:

http://jeffaho.com/archives/ckms-referendum/
http://community.livejournal.com/uwaterloo/515664.html                                                                                                      http://jeffaho.com/archives/synaesthetik/
http://community.livejournal.com/uwaterloo/518397.html
http://www.lunarluau.ca/blog/?p=249
http://atuw.ca/opinion-ckms-endgame-analysis/
(&lt;a href="http://atuw.ca/opinion-ckms-endgame-analysis/#comment-5760" rel="nofollow"&gt;this comment&lt;/a&gt; may be of particular interest)
http://oncampus.macleans.ca/education/2008/02/19/waterloo-students-say-enough-decide-to-keep-their-five-bucks/                                              http://spinningindie.blogspot.com/2008/04/canadian-college-radio-station-ckms-one.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The referendum resulted in the defunding of CKMS.  The results were 2280 in favour of defunding, with 1081 against; a 2-1 margin.  The remaining 87% of students didn&#8217;t care enough for CKMS to point-and-click to save it in the very accessible web-based referendum.</p>
<p>The opposition to the CKMS fee came from a diverse set of perspectives:</p>
<p>- Some are opposed to all opt-out fees.  Some of these students are poor; some are cheap and selfish; and some have a principled opposition to the opt-out fee system, which involves a conflict of interest where the very parties whose interests are served by having as low a refund rate as possible are in charge of running the refunds.  To get a CKMS refund, for example, one had to go to where many students consider is the middle of nowhere, on Bauer Warehouse Road (which wasn&#8217;t even paved until recently), in a narrow set of office hours on a narrow range of days at the beginning of the term.  Some students study in Cambridge, and for them a round trip to get a refund would cost, in gasoline, most if not all of the refund.</p>
<p>- Some don&#8217;t value FM radio.</p>
<p>- Some might be open to, or even supportive of, campus radio, but were opposed to the repeated acts of corruption and abuse of power by the CKMS establishment.  These include:</p>
<p>&#8212; holding meetings in a poisoned environment</p>
<p>&#8212; violating CKMS&#8217;s own bylaws to silence their critics (even CKMS&#8217;s own attorney is on the record in the meeting minutes of a meeting following a past AGM as saying that a vote that station manager Heather Majaury obstructed was perfectly legal)</p>
<p>&#8212; obstructing student access to budget and governance information that even CKMS&#8217;s own attorney stated was their right (the leader of the opposition campa<br />
ign, who was entitled to the information, received some of it weeks after the referendum was over, and this information included the previous event of the v<br />
iolation of bylaws, so if CKMS had not underhandedly obstructed the rightful access to this information the results of the referendum might have been an even more dramatic rejection of CKMS)</p>
<p>&#8212; breaking referendum rules repeatedly, including campaigning repeatedly before the allowed campaign period (an unfair advantage over the opposing campaig<br />
n, which followed the rules) and distributing false information to voters<br />
                                                                                                                                                            &#8212; using station resources for their campaign, which is forbidden by student council rules because it creates an unfair playing field (the opposing campaig<br />
n spent only $34)</p>
<p>&#8212; the supporters of CKMS showing utter hostility and contempt for the democratic process by defacing and removing posters put up by the opposing campaign<br />
(this can not be linked directly to the CKMS establishment)<br />
Some references:</p>
<p><a href="http://jeffaho.com/archives/ckms-referendum/" rel="nofollow">http://jeffaho.com/archives/ckms-referendum/</a><br />
<a href="http://community.livejournal.com/uwaterloo/515664.html" rel="nofollow">http://community.livejournal.com/uwaterloo/515664.html</a>                                                                                                      <a href="http://jeffaho.com/archives/synaesthetik/" rel="nofollow">http://jeffaho.com/archives/synaesthetik/</a><br />
<a href="http://community.livejournal.com/uwaterloo/518397.html" rel="nofollow">http://community.livejournal.com/uwaterloo/518397.html</a><br />
<a href="http://www.lunarluau.ca/blog/?p=249" rel="nofollow">http://www.lunarluau.ca/blog/?p=249</a><br />
<a href="http://atuw.ca/opinion-ckms-endgame-analysis/" rel="nofollow">http://atuw.ca/opinion-ckms-endgame-analysis/</a><br />
(<a href="http://atuw.ca/opinion-ckms-endgame-analysis/#comment-5760" rel="nofollow">this comment</a> may be of particular interest)<br />
<a href="http://oncampus.macleans.ca/education/2008/02/19/waterloo-students-say-enough-decide-to-keep-their-five-bucks/" rel="nofollow">http://oncampus.macleans.ca/education/2008/02/19/waterloo-students-say-enough-decide-to-keep-their-five-bucks/</a>                                              <a href="http://spinningindie.blogspot.com/2008/04/canadian-college-radio-station-ckms-one.html" rel="nofollow">http://spinningindie.blogspot.com/2008/04/canadian-college-radio-station-ckms-one.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Risa Dickens</title>
		<link>http://www.indyish.com/university-of-waterloo-radio-stations-survival-is-in-jeopardy#comment-33673</link>
		<dc:creator>Risa Dickens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 16:21:57 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.indyish.com/university-of-waterloo-radio-stations-survival-is-in-jeopardy#comment-33673</guid>
		<description>hmm jay! i thought i knew you, but kindness of strangers!  turns out i don't know which jay you are, jay, but here is the contact i have at the radio station: http://www.indyish.com/author/suitewriter and i'll email to put you in touch.
i'm pretty sure they'd love any and all kinds of help, since they lost the referendum... sigh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hmm jay! i thought i knew you, but kindness of strangers!  turns out i don&#8217;t know which jay you are, jay, but here is the contact i have at the radio station: <a href="http://www.indyish.com/author/suitewriter" rel="nofollow">http://www.indyish.com/author/suitewriter</a> and i&#8217;ll email to put you in touch.<br />
i&#8217;m pretty sure they&#8217;d love any and all kinds of help, since they lost the referendum&#8230; sigh.</p>
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		<title>By: Risa Dickens</title>
		<link>http://www.indyish.com/university-of-waterloo-radio-stations-survival-is-in-jeopardy#comment-33626</link>
		<dc:creator>Risa Dickens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Apr 2008 21:40:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.indyish.com/university-of-waterloo-radio-stations-survival-is-in-jeopardy#comment-33626</guid>
		<description>hey jay - i'll put you in touch with them!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hey jay - i&#8217;ll put you in touch with them!</p>
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		<title>By: Jay</title>
		<link>http://www.indyish.com/university-of-waterloo-radio-stations-survival-is-in-jeopardy#comment-33617</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Apr 2008 19:42:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.indyish.com/university-of-waterloo-radio-stations-survival-is-in-jeopardy#comment-33617</guid>
		<description>Can you send me an annual budget of the radio station? Maybe I can round up a few dollars to Save our station!

Jay</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can you send me an annual budget of the radio station? Maybe I can round up a few dollars to Save our station!</p>
<p>Jay</p>
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		<title>By: sarah pearson</title>
		<link>http://www.indyish.com/university-of-waterloo-radio-stations-survival-is-in-jeopardy#comment-26636</link>
		<dc:creator>sarah pearson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2008 13:52:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.indyish.com/university-of-waterloo-radio-stations-survival-is-in-jeopardy#comment-26636</guid>
		<description>as a recent newbie to the radio world, i feel a tremendous sense of the importance, as well as the dangerous unerappreciation for this medium.  ARG!! Radio!!! It's so amazing!! Why doesn't our generation realize that???
My parents, who lived through the tail-end of the 2nd World War in the UK (my dad) and through the height of the Cold War in the US (my mom) are radio addicts. It was only during the ice storm that I began to understand why radio is so important to them...those voices in the darkness coming out of the air, while we cook or sip tea or cuddle or eat...it's so much more wonderful than television, and so much more community-building. 
Radio Magic!!! Lest we forget!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>as a recent newbie to the radio world, i feel a tremendous sense of the importance, as well as the dangerous unerappreciation for this medium.  ARG!! Radio!!! It&#8217;s so amazing!! Why doesn&#8217;t our generation realize that???<br />
My parents, who lived through the tail-end of the 2nd World War in the UK (my dad) and through the height of the Cold War in the US (my mom) are radio addicts. It was only during the ice storm that I began to understand why radio is so important to them&#8230;those voices in the darkness coming out of the air, while we cook or sip tea or cuddle or eat&#8230;it&#8217;s so much more wonderful than television, and so much more community-building.<br />
Radio Magic!!! Lest we forget!!!</p>
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