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	<title>Comments on: A Proposal for Independent Record Stores and Labels</title>
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	<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 07:41:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Nadine Benny</title>
		<link>http://www.indyish.com/a-proposal-for-independent-record-stores-and-labels/#comment-35248</link>
		<dc:creator>Nadine Benny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 16:33:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sony BMG has tried something similar to this, which is selling album cards.  Each album card allows you to download the album in MP3 format, along with a PDF of the album booklet and lyrics, directly from the MusicPass website.  You also get bonus materials ranging from artist videos, making-ofs, and additional downloads from the Sony BMG catalogue.  These cards are currently selling in non-music oulets like Pharmaprix (that was the idea, taking it out of the music retailer) But there would be nothing stopping from selling these in record shops or anywhere else for that matter.

I'm not sure if the stores pay for the album cards before a transaction is made.  Traditionally in the music industry, the stores have taken the least amount of risk, meaning that even with CDs, they don't pay for what they don't sell, they just return it.

I agree with Tessa though in that that if you're cool with getting your music in MP3 format, and cool with purchasing those MP3s, maybe you're more like Alanah and you're not going to go to a record shop to buy CDs, you just want the music and you'll just get it online.  

In terms of listening before you buy, I think this is pretty much fulfilled by the internet (file sharing, online streaming sites), you don't need music store listening posts (and their lineups) for that anymore. 

But you're suggesting that people also want that community, that knowledgeable record store clerk that you just don't find when shopping on iTunes.  Perhaps it's an opportunity for an innovative online retailer to offer access to a community of "clerks" who are available to chat with you online about the lastest releases and must-have classics.

Selling download codes at record shops seems like a great fit though, good idea.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sony BMG has tried something similar to this, which is selling album cards.  Each album card allows you to download the album in MP3 format, along with a PDF of the album booklet and lyrics, directly from the MusicPass website.  You also get bonus materials ranging from artist videos, making-ofs, and additional downloads from the Sony BMG catalogue.  These cards are currently selling in non-music oulets like Pharmaprix (that was the idea, taking it out of the music retailer) But there would be nothing stopping from selling these in record shops or anywhere else for that matter.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure if the stores pay for the album cards before a transaction is made.  Traditionally in the music industry, the stores have taken the least amount of risk, meaning that even with CDs, they don&#8217;t pay for what they don&#8217;t sell, they just return it.</p>
<p>I agree with Tessa though in that that if you&#8217;re cool with getting your music in MP3 format, and cool with purchasing those MP3s, maybe you&#8217;re more like Alanah and you&#8217;re not going to go to a record shop to buy CDs, you just want the music and you&#8217;ll just get it online.  </p>
<p>In terms of listening before you buy, I think this is pretty much fulfilled by the internet (file sharing, online streaming sites), you don&#8217;t need music store listening posts (and their lineups) for that anymore. </p>
<p>But you&#8217;re suggesting that people also want that community, that knowledgeable record store clerk that you just don&#8217;t find when shopping on iTunes.  Perhaps it&#8217;s an opportunity for an innovative online retailer to offer access to a community of &#8220;clerks&#8221; who are available to chat with you online about the lastest releases and must-have classics.</p>
<p>Selling download codes at record shops seems like a great fit though, good idea.</p>
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		<title>By: Tessa</title>
		<link>http://www.indyish.com/a-proposal-for-independent-record-stores-and-labels/#comment-35122</link>
		<dc:creator>Tessa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Apr 2008 05:53:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hey, i just found this video from hotkid about releasing their ep by screenprinting posters with download codes:

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hey, i just found this video from hotkid about releasing their ep by screenprinting posters with download codes:</p>
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		<title>By: alanah</title>
		<link>http://www.indyish.com/a-proposal-for-independent-record-stores-and-labels/#comment-33827</link>
		<dc:creator>alanah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 02:25:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post and great idea. I never had a collector mentality to cds - I've moved a million times, so first I ditched the cases in favour of CD books, and ended up losing the cd book altogether. Almost everything was on my computer anyways, so I was just as happy to lose the extra bulk. Last christmas, I emailed my best friend a mix rather than burning a CD (I knew he would only have ripped it before listening to it anyways).  All this to say, CDs are a thing of the past.

These days I only buy CDs as a gesture to support artists and I only buy them at shows. Having the CD as an object is just annoying. Naturally, it becomes tempting to just download music for free if you aren't interested in owning an actual cd. I'm still a little wary of paying for stuff online (call me old fashioned) and I think your solution is a good one. I love the idea of the code coming with a booklet or a poster, or a t-shirt, or something to make the purchase more fun.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post and great idea. I never had a collector mentality to cds - I&#8217;ve moved a million times, so first I ditched the cases in favour of CD books, and ended up losing the cd book altogether. Almost everything was on my computer anyways, so I was just as happy to lose the extra bulk. Last christmas, I emailed my best friend a mix rather than burning a CD (I knew he would only have ripped it before listening to it anyways).  All this to say, CDs are a thing of the past.</p>
<p>These days I only buy CDs as a gesture to support artists and I only buy them at shows. Having the CD as an object is just annoying. Naturally, it becomes tempting to just download music for free if you aren&#8217;t interested in owning an actual cd. I&#8217;m still a little wary of paying for stuff online (call me old fashioned) and I think your solution is a good one. I love the idea of the code coming with a booklet or a poster, or a t-shirt, or something to make the purchase more fun.</p>
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		<title>By: Tessa</title>
		<link>http://www.indyish.com/a-proposal-for-independent-record-stores-and-labels/#comment-33819</link>
		<dc:creator>Tessa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 21:49:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sorry, i just mean that people wouldn't have to go to stores (or "point of sales") to get the mp3 codes if they could get them online. but i guess if independent labels want to support record stores they wouldn't make the codes available directly (or even though a distributor).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sorry, i just mean that people wouldn&#8217;t have to go to stores (or &#8220;point of sales&#8221;) to get the mp3 codes if they could get them online. but i guess if independent labels want to support record stores they wouldn&#8217;t make the codes available directly (or even though a distributor).</p>
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		<title>By: Phonopolis</title>
		<link>http://www.indyish.com/a-proposal-for-independent-record-stores-and-labels/#comment-33818</link>
		<dc:creator>Phonopolis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 20:59:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, I agree that a booklet or something physical to accompany the download would definitely make it more desirable for people. I don't know if I completely understand what you mean about 'the elimination of point of sales'...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, I agree that a booklet or something physical to accompany the download would definitely make it more desirable for people. I don&#8217;t know if I completely understand what you mean about &#8216;the elimination of point of sales&#8217;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Tessa</title>
		<link>http://www.indyish.com/a-proposal-for-independent-record-stores-and-labels/#comment-33815</link>
		<dc:creator>Tessa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 20:24:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yeah i'd be worried that it would lead to the elimination of point of sales...like couldn't people order the codes online more easily if they're gonna download them there anyway? but i think you're right that people want to browse through records at a real shop and use listening booths before they buy. hm. 

i like the idea of having a real product (maybe a print or a booklet) that would come with the mp3 code if you bought it at a record shop. so you wouldn't need to buy the cd, vinyl, cassette to get the code, but you'd still have incentive to shop locally. does it make sense to hang onto the idea of exchanging a physical product when we're talking about digital downloads? i'm not sure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yeah i&#8217;d be worried that it would lead to the elimination of point of sales&#8230;like couldn&#8217;t people order the codes online more easily if they&#8217;re gonna download them there anyway? but i think you&#8217;re right that people want to browse through records at a real shop and use listening booths before they buy. hm. </p>
<p>i like the idea of having a real product (maybe a print or a booklet) that would come with the mp3 code if you bought it at a record shop. so you wouldn&#8217;t need to buy the cd, vinyl, cassette to get the code, but you&#8217;d still have incentive to shop locally. does it make sense to hang onto the idea of exchanging a physical product when we&#8217;re talking about digital downloads? i&#8217;m not sure.</p>
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		<title>By: Risa Dickens</title>
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		<dc:creator>Risa Dickens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 20:08:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i really like it, i think - so you imagine sites would issue catalogues of their available downloads to stores, and i guess give store owners lists of purchase codes, and the code would give them access to purchase at a special store price?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i really like it, i think - so you imagine sites would issue catalogues of their available downloads to stores, and i guess give store owners lists of purchase codes, and the code would give them access to purchase at a special store price?</p>
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